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		<title>imported&gt;GARGADON at 22:12, 19 January 2022</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;__TOC__&lt;br /&gt;
==(Unknown), 11/10/1995==&lt;br /&gt;
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|category=4&lt;br /&gt;
|topic=9&lt;br /&gt;
|messagenum=406&lt;br /&gt;
|date=Fri Nov 10, 1995 at 02:37 EST&lt;br /&gt;
|author=GAMEMASTER.2 [Cyper]&lt;br /&gt;
|subject=(Unknown)}}&lt;br /&gt;
One change, one addition:&lt;br /&gt;
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Change: The way the Damage Severity Weighting is calculated has been changed.  Previous system ranged from 0 to DW (Damage Weighting) dependent on the weapon&amp;#039;s DF.  Now it ranges from half DW to DW dependant on the weapon&amp;#039;s DF.  This will raise the adder for attacks from hiding or while [[Invisibility (916)|invisible]] (assuming ambush training) and for damage weighted weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Addition: AMBUSH verb that permit aimed attacks.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Adds 3 seconds to [[Roundtime|Round Time]] Calculations, prior to Truncation.  Note, since RT&amp;#039;s are truncated at 5 seconds on the low end for attack and ambush, aiming at a target may not always add 3 seconds to the Round Time the AMBUSH user sees.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Aim at any body part that can be injured, eyes, legs, hands, et cetera.  Different areas have different difficulty modifiers when aimed at.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Each weapon type has an aiming modifier associated with it.  The highest bonus is for daggers, the greatest penalty is for the lance.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Some size restrictions play a role, no [[halfling]]s aiming shots at a golem&amp;#039;s neck unless the golem is not standing.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Works exactly like ATTACK if no area on the target is specified for an aimed attack.  This includes final Round Time evaluation.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Skill for melee aiming is one quarter ambush plus one quarter combat maneuvers.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Skill for aimed attack from hiding or invisiblity is half ambush skill.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Failed skill checks may result in no attack or an attack to a random area on the target.  The 3 seconds is still added in the latter case and a 5 second Round Time is accessed for failed checks that result in no attack.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Currently Parry does not play a role in th[e] ability to target an area.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Damage weighted weapons are harder to aim with than non-damage weighted varities of the same weapon type.&lt;br /&gt;
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Cyper&lt;br /&gt;
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==Playing my rogue again, 07/05/2008==&lt;br /&gt;
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 | topic = So You Want to be a Rogue?&lt;br /&gt;
 | messagenum = 11313&lt;br /&gt;
 | author = GS4-ILDRAN&lt;br /&gt;
 | date = 7/5/2008 8:27:17 PM&lt;br /&gt;
 | subject = Re: Playing my rogue again&lt;br /&gt;
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IOI: 4&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;If so this is a serious change from before. When did he post that? I&amp;#039;d be curious to know when it took place.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Perception]] hasn&amp;#039;t ever helped with aiming melee weapons (though it does help with aiming ranged weapons). The only skills involved have been [[Ambush]] and [[Combat Maneuvers]] since the AMBUSH verb was created.&lt;br /&gt;
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- Consigliere Ildran, Shizlock Holmesplice&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ildran, Concerning Ambushing, 07/06/2008==&lt;br /&gt;
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 | topic = So You Want to be a Rogue?&lt;br /&gt;
 | messagenum = 11313&lt;br /&gt;
 | author = GS4-ILDRAN&lt;br /&gt;
 | date = 7/6/2008 8:07:34 AM&lt;br /&gt;
 | subject = Re: Ildran, Concerning Ambushing&lt;br /&gt;
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IOI: 4&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;Ildran, concerning ambushing, are damage weighted weapons still harder to aim than regular weapons?&lt;br /&gt;
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No, there&amp;#039;s no penalty for aiming [[Weighting|weighted]] weapons.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;&amp;gt;And does Parry still not play a role in the ability to target an area?&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Correct, stance does not play a role.&lt;br /&gt;
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- Consigliere Ildran, Shizlock Holmesplice&lt;br /&gt;
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==Aiming==&lt;br /&gt;
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 | topic = Thrown Weapon Combat&lt;br /&gt;
 | messagenum = 4602&lt;br /&gt;
 | author = GS4-MESTYS&lt;br /&gt;
 | date = 8/26/2009 6:14:34 PM&lt;br /&gt;
 | subject = Re: Aiming&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;Could someone remind me what skills factor into aiming from the open? - Metadi&lt;br /&gt;
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The Ambush and [[Combat Maneuvers]] skills factor into aimed hurled attacks from the open. Ambush skill alone is taken into account when aiming from hiding.&lt;br /&gt;
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-M.&lt;br /&gt;
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 | topic = Developer&amp;#039;s Corner&lt;br /&gt;
 | messagenum = 1338&lt;br /&gt;
 | author = GS4-NAIJIN&lt;br /&gt;
 | date = 2020-07-22T12:17&lt;br /&gt;
 | subject = Crit Immunity and Eye Shots&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey all,&lt;br /&gt;
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A bug fix has been rolled for crit immune critters so that they work properly (more details below). The critters affected primarily come up during Duskruin and Invasions, so you shouldn&amp;#039;t notice much of a change in normal hunting. In addition, targeting an eye that is missing will now automatically target the other eye. If both eyes are missing, the chest will be targeted as before.&lt;br /&gt;
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Crit Immunity Details:&lt;br /&gt;
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There has been a long-standing bug where crit immunity has been ignored when a wound has a secondary damage location. This would cause multiple rank 3&amp;#039;s to stack up on a target that was supposed to be immune to crit kills and would fatally kill them. For example, a rank 3 crit on the left eye will produce a rank 3 crit on the head as an alternate wound. A follow up rank 3 crit on the right eye would also produce a rank 3 crit on the head. This results in two rank 3&amp;#039;s on the head and, due to how wound stacking works, would result in a finalized rank 4 crit which is fatal when targeting the head, neck, abs, chest, or nerves.&lt;br /&gt;
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- Naijin&lt;br /&gt;
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==1125 and aiming==&lt;br /&gt;
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 | topic = Empath Spells&lt;br /&gt;
 | messagenum = 4138&lt;br /&gt;
 | author = GS4-OSCURO&lt;br /&gt;
 | date = 8/29/2009 10:08:49 PM&lt;br /&gt;
 | subject = Re: 1125 and aiming.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;I thought minor eye scars interefered with called shots?&lt;br /&gt;
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Nope.&lt;br /&gt;
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- GM Oscuro &lt;br /&gt;
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==Creature Size and Aiming==&lt;br /&gt;
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 | topic = Developer&amp;#039;s Corner -- Hunting &amp;amp; Combat&lt;br /&gt;
 | messagenum = 8119&lt;br /&gt;
 | author = GS4-MESTYS&lt;br /&gt;
 | date = 10/9/2009 9:39:19 PM&lt;br /&gt;
 | subject = Re: Ambushing and Creature Size &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;How about changing it? Like I said, an aim penalty and/or dodge penalty seem fine for small critters, but not an entirely &amp;quot;you can&amp;#039;t aim at it&amp;quot; penalty. -Grendeg&lt;br /&gt;
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AMBUSHing has been modified to no longer outright prevent attempts on targets smaller and shorter than the attacker. Instead, a penalty is applied based on the relative size difference.&lt;br /&gt;
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-M.&lt;br /&gt;
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 | topic = Developer&amp;#039;s Corner -- Hunting &amp;amp; Combat&lt;br /&gt;
 | messagenum = 8130&lt;br /&gt;
 | author = GS4-MESTYS&lt;br /&gt;
 | date = 10/9/2009 11:06:05 PM&lt;br /&gt;
 | subject = Re: Ambushing and Creature Size &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt;Does a higher ambush skill lessen this penalty at all? Or is it a flat penalty regardless of one&amp;#039;s training in ambush? Either way though, this is an awesome update. -Razcor&lt;br /&gt;
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The penalty is flat (based on size difference) and cannot be trained away.&lt;br /&gt;
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-M.&lt;br /&gt;
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| author = GS4-NAIJIN&lt;br /&gt;
| date = 01/14/2022&lt;br /&gt;
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EBP of the target is reduced by 50% when ambushing.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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